Trying something a little new tonight. Awesome tweeter SampleReality has been archiving #FYCchat via TwapperKeeper. Instead of copy-pasting our entire conversation, I will include his link:
#FYCchat 4.27.11
This week, we discussed the purpose of First Year Composition, a topic of constant debate, especially between FYC departments and those outside FYC. There was also some discussion about whether students ultimately found our courses useful/helpful, whether FYC professors make a difference, how digital literacy is seeping into our courses, and things we hope to accomplish in the future.
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Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Archive of #FYCchat from 4/20/11
The topic for this week's #FYCchat was helping students through their writing fears. This lead to discussion about students' fear of error-making, students' attempts to sound academic by using empty words, and a loss of creativity. Social media and low stakes writing projects as anxiety-reducing tools were also discussed.
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comPOSITIONblog @JudyArzt http://fycchat.blogspot.com Older archives I think are sadly lost thanks to Wthashtag being shut down :( #fycchat -10:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011
bzeducon @literarychica @trentmkays Exactly, but it's hard to balance giving them room to stretch/grow & hinting at the structure to come. #FYCchat -10:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011
JudyArzt #fycchat Thanks to all of you tonight for fruitful discussions & buckets of ideas. Post the archive URL? -10:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011
literarychica @JudyArzt A lot of it stemmed from "why didn't I get my Twitter point for last week's tweet???" #fycchat -10:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @JudyArzt The catch was it had to show critical thinking. So first few weeks we had a lot of talks about what is critical thinking. #fycchat -10:06 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @JudyArzt Instead of writing weekly response papers, i had them read something outside of class & tweet a weekly response. #fycchat -10:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011
readywriting I'd @ everyone directly, but I'm too tired. Thanks for the great great #FYCchat tonight. I always learn so much. -10:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I'll be doing a cumbersome copy-paste archive until I come with a prettier solution (PDFs?) athttp://fycchat.blogspot.com #fycchat -10:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @trentmkays @literarychica Wow. Is that a trend? Is it more than a remedial option? Will have to look into it. URL? #FYCchat -10:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @bzeducon @trentmkays But part of what we're doing is teaching them skills they can use in other classes, right?#fycchat -10:04 PM Apr 20th, 2011
trentmkays @JudyArzt They respond quite well. They understand it's hard, but it's also good practice. Takes them a few tries to get it. #fycchat -10:04 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting Let's give it a shot. For future #FYCchat: how do you incorporate writing textbook into classroom teaching, feedback, grading? -10:03 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @trentmkays How do students respond to the condensing down to one sentence activity? #fycchat -10:02 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @readywriting Oh wow! It's 10 already? How did that happen. & Yes, I think that will made a great topic! #fycchat -10:02 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon @trentmkays @literarychica Our program did introduce a SYC. #FYCchat -10:01 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @bzeducon @trentmkays Exactly. I wish there were more WAC/WID courses and programs. #fycchat -10:01 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Alright, I have to sign off. Next week, point/purpose of FYC? #FYCchat -10:01 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @laurenmvb introduced Twitter to me as a research tool for students. #fycchat -10:01 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I told my students to follow people who were into their Writing as Activism project topics. Of course, whether they did or not, idk #fycchat -10:00 PM Apr 20th, 2011
thatcarlygirl RT @readywriting: It is too bad that it's too late to implement some of this great advice. Next fall. #FYCchat -10:00 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt RT @thatcarlygirl: Speaking of length reqs, I have friend who has students write essay, then abstract, then tweet... to help them narrow ideas/words. #FYCchat -10:00 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @trentmkays @literarychica This is the rub: FYC's presumed duty to prep students for what comes next. Need "SYC" to ease burden. #FYCchat -10:00 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting If I had knows about twitter, when I was teaching Brown Girl, totally could have had students tweet the author.#FYCchat -9:59 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @thatcarlygirl @MattBridgewater Like your idea: follow one author/orofessional in field. Will do w/ summer class. Thnks.#fycchat -9:59 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @readywriting Yeah :/ But hey, now I can't wait to revise my syllabus/lesson plans! #fycchat -9:59 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays Yep. RT @readywriting: It is too bad that its too late to implement some of this great advice. Next fall. #fycchat -9:58 PM Apr 20th, 2011
MattBridgewater RT @readywriting: It is too bad that it's too late to implement some of this great advice. Next fall. #FYCchat -9:58 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @JudyArzt #fycchat...in BSM (BedfordStMartin) Guide 2 Writing there is chapter on Sleep...try & tweet the authors of the articles, y not? -9:57 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @literarychica Totally. I abhor teaching structure, but the reality is it will be expected in upper-level courses. #fycchat -9:57 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting It is too bad that it's too late to implement some of this great advice. Next fall. #FYCchat -9:57 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @JudyArzt I actually haven't tried it yet myself! I'll ask my friend how it's going. I'd like to try next year. #FYCchat -9:57 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @bzeducon @thatcarlygirl Interesting. Hrm. I might have to put a workshop together or something. Good times.#fycchat -9:57 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @trentmkays I dislike teaching a certain structure, organization, but they feel more secure with it. #fycchat -9:56 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl For the record, though? I think it's just as important to have max word/page lengths, too. #FYCchat -9:56 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @thatcarlygirl Neat idea to move from abstract to tweet; cuts to essence. #fycchat Does it work for the students? -9:56 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @trentmkays Agree w/ need 4 structure. I try to get my students to learn to develop structure organically. Hasn't worked yet. :( #fycchat -9:56 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @readywriting: I have to try and remember all this great advice. Stupid twapper keeper. Arg. #FYCchat -9:55 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @thatcarlygirl Like @trentmkays' task. This reverse engineering blends teaching of writing & reading. Should be a#CCCC workshop. #FYCchat -9:55 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @MattBridgewater @JudyArzt I have students follow: one each of author/professional in field of interest + news source.#FYCchat -9:55 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog RT @thatcarlygirl: Speaking of length reqs, I have friend who has Ss write essay then abstract then tweet to help them narrow ideas #fycchat -9:55 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting I have to try and remember all this great advice. Stupid twapper keeper. Arg. #FYCchat -9:54 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @thatcarlygirl: Speaking of length reqs, I have friend who has students write essay, then abstract, then tweet... to help them narrow ideas/words. #FYCchat -9:54 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @MattBridgewater Follow several authors on Twitter, Need to have students do likewise. Thnks 4 idea. #fycchat -9:54 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @bzeducon: @trentmkays This is a fantastic exercise b/c it'll make them better at summarizing other authors' writing down to a biblio entry. #FYCchat -9:53 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl Speaking of length reqs, I have friend who has students write essay, then abstract, then tweet... to help them narrow ideas/words. #FYCchat -9:53 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @comPOSITIONblog: @JudyArzt@MattBridgewater @SusanOrlean once responded to a tweet. I felt starstruck. She's so cool =) #fycchat -9:53 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @MattBridgewater @thatcarlygirl For me, it was a little experiment. That failed. #FYCchat -9:53 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @readywriting @comPOSITIONblog @feministtexican@thatcarlygirl Wanted 2 do lots of activities, but focused on one Twitter activity.#fycchat -9:52 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @trentmkays This is a fantastic exercise b/c it'll make them better at summarizing other authors' writing down to a biblio entry. #FYCchat -9:52 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @thatcarlygirl #fycchat Yea, I'm often puzzled as to y teachers eschew page length...i'm not a stickler for it, but it's an important guide -9:52 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater @JudyArztMaybe if we all mention @SusanOrlean enough in our #FYCchatshe'll respond to us here! :) -9:52 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @trentmkays: I ask my students to write a 1page reflection, then revise to 1paragraph, then revise to a single sentence. #FYCchat -9:51 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog RT @thatcarlygirl: "Your writing is a package and your string must be long enough to wrap it all up." Drives us students nuts. LOL. #fycchat -9:51 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @JudyArzt @MattBridgewater @SusanOrleanonce responded to a tweet. I felt starstruck. She's so cool =)#fycchat -9:51 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays Regarding length, I ask my students to write a one-page reflection, then revise to one-paragraph, then revise to a single sentence. #fycchat -9:51 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @bzeducon: Yes! We want them to be comfortable w/ us but not complacent w/ their progress as novice writers.#FYCchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt RT @thatcarlygirl: @readywriting ..."Your writing is a package and your string must be long enough to wrap it all up." Drives us students nuts. LOL. #FYCchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @feministtexican @readywriting @comPOSITIONblogAgreed. This semester I tried to get them to use more tech. They need it. #fycchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @JudyArzt #fycchat jennifer 8 lee and kevin smith have responded to me & I was thrilled...I imagine what it'd be like for an 18 year old :-) -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @thatcarlygirl @MattBridgewater That's a great point. I would even go as far as to say every writing situation.#fycchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @comPOSITIONblog @feministtexican @literarychicaAlthough if you introduce twitter (for example) as an "academic" tool, it's easier #FYCchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @feministtexican @literarychica Add Mac vs. PC to that battle, too. #FYCchat -9:50 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog @Dana_Forbes Yes! We want them to be comfortable w/ us but not complacent w/ their progress as novice writers. #FYCchat -9:49 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @feministtexican @literarychica When I said how much of my class used ed tech, I actually had 2 students drop and a few freak out. #fycchat -9:49 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl RT @readywriting: @feministtexican @literarychica I know what you mean. Many of my students can't even attach a file to an email. #FYCchat -9:49 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @MattBridgewater True. I suppose you could think of it as a study in genres; each genre naturally requires different lengths, etc. #FYCchat -9:49 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @feministtexican @literarychica I've noticed that too, or they don't know how to switch from social to academic use of edtech. #fycchat -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @MattBridgewater What authors have responded to your students via Twitter? #fycchat -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @JudyArtz Yes & no. I think next time I'll try it later in the term once students know each other better. But some really love it! #FYCchat -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @feministtexican @literarychica I know what you mean. Many of my students can't even attach a file to an email.#FYCchat -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @thatcarlygirl @readywriting #fycchat Page length is arbitrary but necessary...almost all mediums suggest a length (books articles blog etc) -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @readywriting That's exactly how we respond. :) But an interesting lesson, from student's perspective. I wonder why need for rules? #FYCchat -9:48 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @thatcarlygirl Need to try the 6-word memoir idea with a class; how do students respond? Does it elicit discussion?#fycchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011
feministtexican @literarychica a lot of mine aren't tech savvy at ALL (even w/email!), but I try to use tech and media whenever possible. #fycchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays Students crave structure no matter how much we try to tell them they don't always need it. #fycchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @thatcarlygirl Yeah, my students would stare blankly at that one. #FYCchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting Can tell them that they'll submit 5 pages in the end but they can tinker with & revise 7 pages to get to the best 5. #FYCchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @readywriting ..."Your writing is a package and your string must be long enough to wrap it all up." Drives us students nuts. LOL. #FYCchat -9:47 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @Dana_Forbes: When student see themselves as competent, it will unleash the writer in them. Metaphysically, they itch to communicate. #FYCchat -9:46 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @readywriting: @bzeducon I tried not giving a page count. The students rebelled, couldn't write w/o page goal. It was eye-opening. #FYCchat -9:46 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @readywriting I have a prof who responds to: "How many pages?" with: How long is a string?"+ #FYCchat -9:46 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon @Dana_Forbes I think I agree. You're saying, "set the bar high"? #fycchat -9:46 PM Apr 20th, 2011
Dana_Forbes When student see themselves as competent, it will unleash the writer in them. Metaphysically, they itch to communicate. #FYCchat -9:45 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @Dana_Forbes @comPOSITIONblog Instructors can assure competence while encouraging greatness (or at least enhanced competence). #FYCchat -9:45 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @thatcarlygirl I wanted to use that exercise so bad, it sounds so exciting! #fycchat -9:44 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon I tried not giving a page count. The students rebelled, couldn't write w/o page goal. It was eye-opening. #FYCchat -9:44 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @literarychica Agreed. Some of my students pick it up easier / have more fun with it than others. (Just like other forms of comp?) #FYCchat -9:43 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater #fycchat Idea...using twitter to follow & ask questions 2 people they r reading n FYC..exciting 4 them 2 get response from a "real author" -9:43 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @thatcarlygirl @feministtexican @trentmkays But depends on how sm literate/savvy they are. #fycchat - -9:43 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting Many see 5-page paper & work only w/in that frame. First 5 pages drafted become basis for revision. Why not write 7? #FYCchat -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl I think I've said this before on #FYCchat (so sorry if it's a repeat) but I like to use social media for space to compose six-word memoirs. -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @literarychica @thatcarlygirl @feministtexican Yep yep. I spent an entire class period explaining and demonstrating Twitter. #fycchat -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson Yes, agree, we have Twitter to level of chat; guess we are getting more proficient #fycchat -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @thatcarlygirl @feministtexican @trentmkays I spent first half getting them used to posting and using hashtag.Twitter has potential+#fycchat -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @Dana_Forbes @comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon Yes! I repeat over and over that they can, indeed, do it. #FYCchat -9:42 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @thatcarlygirl @feministtexican @trentmkays I should explain that: many students had never used or heard of Twitter. +#fycchat -9:41 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes @comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon Yes, students want approval and validation. So, we need to help them believe they are competent. #FYCchat -9:41 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @comPOSITIONblog Corkboard is an excellent space for collaboration. #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011
Bill_Torgerson Chatting here is working out great. When someone said it sounded like a chat room, I had no defense. Not that it was needed. #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson What precisely is happening at St. John's? Not sure I understand comment about "mob." #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays Yes! RT @comPOSITIONblog: I also think sm like Corkboard or even FB/Twitter can be a good space for collaborative brainstorming. #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @comPOSITIONblog: @MattBridgewater@trentmkays I can't see their private space, and they can't see mine via fan page. #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater Excellent idea! I might try that next semester. #fycchat -9:40 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I also think sm like Corkboard or even FB/Twitter can be a good space for collaborative brainstorming.#fycchat -9:39 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon Please explain/expand...Sounds like a good idea. I'm intrigued. #FYCchat -9:39 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater @trentmkays I can't see their private space, and they can't see mine via fan page. #fycchat-9:39 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl Chat rooms are so 1995. (But know that I say this with LOVE.) :) #FYCchat -9:39 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson know of only a handful of faculty on my campus who use Twitter for professional development.discussion, etc. #fycchat -9:39 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl LOL! RT @literarychica: @feministtexican@trentmkays I used Twitter this sem in my classroom but had A LOT of explaining to do. #fycchat -9:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson I think about being editor which sounds ugly. But I get letters from editors who care about my work & give me things to think about #fycchat -9:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Is twitter acting up/slow? Major singing show just announce results? #FYCchat -9:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting This assumes a drafting process! I suggest writing as much as necessary so we can talk it through before trimming. #FYCchat -9:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater You can use it for low-stakes writing. Discussion Qs, sharing resources that make them think of class chat, etc. #fycchat -9:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @trentmkays I agree about social media helping students see comp in new ways - and maybe help with fear, too.#FYCchat -9:37 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @trentmkays: @MattBridgewater I agree with you. Students are sometimes apprehensive to let teachers into their private Facebook space. #fycchat -9:37 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @comPOSITIONblog: @MattBridgewater@trentmkays We have a class FB fan page. Some of my students shared video, etc. It was nice =) #fycchat -9:37 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @MattBridgewater Not sure I follow. Does "service" mean teaching universally applicable reading/writing skills for any major? #FYCchat -9:36 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl @comPOSITIONblog I have similar story @ past teacher. She convinced me to drop my English major. So I try now to grade w/compassion #FYcchat -9:36 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @readywriting Talk about the draft. Agree on the revision plan to reduce fear. Or to support the drafting process.#fycchat -9:36 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog FYC can be about balance b/t two. Souffle can't rise unless you get it just right. Reminder that it takes time. #FYCchat -9:35 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater #FYCchat...so, can sm help reduce writing anxiety? How can sm help reduce anxiety ?'Im reluctant to use FB, but anxious to use Twitter. -9:35 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater @trentmkaysThat sounds like a great way to build community. Awesome.#FYCchat -9:35 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater I've done that too with great success. Some students really get into it, some do not. #fycchat -9:35 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater @trentmkays We have a class FB fan page. Some of my students shared video, etc. It was nice =) #fycchat -9:34 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @MattBridgewater I agree with you. Students are sometimes apprehensive to let teachers into their private Facebook space. #fycchat -9:34 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Sorry, that was supposed to be a question. How do we support them during the writing/drafting process? #FYCchat -9:34 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @Bill_Torgerson @MattBridgewater @bzeducon*pitch fork in hand* haha. I like to think I'm in service to my students, not depts. #fycchat -9:34 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @Bill_Torgerson @comPOSITIONblogGreat point. They fear sounding pretentious when elegantly writing complex ideas. #FYCchat -9:33 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @trentmkays #FYCchat Students see FB as a personal space, then, and Twitter can be used a classroom space easier maybe. -9:33 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @MattBridgewater @bzeducon Whew. An angry mob coming from St. John's to explain how not in service. :) I'm not really in the mob #fycchat -9:33 PM Apr 20th, 2011 thatcarlygirl A bit late to #FYCchat tonight, but good stuff going on about helping students move beyond fear of writing and/or get creative. -9:33 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Small groups, circles, down at their level. Now, during the writing process. #FYCchat -9:32 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @readywriting @comPOSITIONblog @JudyArzt@Bill_Torgerson Totally. Tonz of people connecting on facebook, here, writing me emails. #fycchat -9:32 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @JudyArzt @comPOSITIONblog Been enjoying it for same reason. It's caricature of concise writing. Must distill & limit to 1 idea. #FYCchat -9:32 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I usually walk around the class and sit next to students and just talk to them about how their other classes are going. #fycchat -9:31 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @bzeducon #fycchat fyc has situated itself as service to other disciplines knowledge...writing studies as a way out? -9:31 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @comPOSITIONblog @JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson It is surprising how many ppl we've picked up from accidental lurkers.#FYCchat -9:31 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon That's true. On the other hand, feeling like you know something helps alleviate fear. I see it in the WC all the time. #fycchat -9:31 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon Twitter is "teaching me" concision per the comment "we can say a lot in 140 characters"#FYCchat -9:30 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson Chatroom would be more efficient, but then we'd lose out on broadcasting to the Twitterverse. #fycchat -9:30 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I think sitting at the same level as my students, doing the writing with them, and talking frankly about life reduces fear.#fycchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson I was telling people about this today and they were like, old news: sounds like a chat room. #fycchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @comPOSITIONblog Many conceive of expertise as content knowledge. Fill up essays w/ bkgrd info & details. Lose voice. #FYCchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @readywriting That's a great question. Lots of circles or little group pods. I also try not to always sit front and center. #fycchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblogAgreed, but they also think style, language, form, etc. Result: "fancy" writing. #FYCchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @readywriting I always put the seats in a circle and sit at the same level as my students. #fycchat -9:29 PM Apr 20th, 2011 JudyArzt @Bill_Torgerson Bill, I also wonder if a chat room versus Twitter works better, but at least Twitter connects us Wed. 9-10 pm #FYCchat -9:28 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @readywriting Small groups with people they've been able to get to know = less fear. #fycchat -9:28 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @readywriting @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog They can be more expert than everyone else in the room depending on what they are writing. #fycchat -9:28 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting What do we do physically in our classrooms to create spaces where they feel safe/supported? #FYCchat -9:28 PM Apr 20th, 2011 literarychica @feministtexican @trentmkays I used Twitter this sem in my classroom but had A LOT of explaining to do. #fycchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @readywriting: @bzeducon@comPOSITIONblog Agreed. They're Freshmen, but they think they need to be experts already. #FYCchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays Students are more fearful of social media than expected. Many of my students will use Facebook but not Twitter.#fycchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon How many essays get written after our class? The bloggers do, they maybe get assigned a couple... #fycchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @trentmkays: @comPOSITIONblog Yes! Students are not as savvy as we think when it comes to social media. We need to educate them on SM at times. #fycchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog Fair enough. I guess 10 Commandments & Gettysburg Address were pretty concise. Surely we can solve FYC's mission. #FYCchat -9:27 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog Agreed. They're Freshmen, but they think they need to be experts already.#FYCchat -9:26 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @comPOSITIONblog Yes! Students are not as savvy as we think when it comes to social media. We need to educate them on SM at times. #fycchat -9:26 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon On Twitter? Maybe I'm not following. But I don't think you use Twitter for the same purposes as an essay. #fycchat -9:26 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson Why do we do this here and not in a chat room? Easier for people to find us? Oops, off topic. #fycchat -9:26 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes The prepositions invite students to explore the temporal dimensions of their fear. #fycchat -9:25 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @trentmkays: I think it's imperative to bring social media into the class b/c that's where students do most of their writing. #fycchat -9:25 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @comPOSITIONblog @trentmkays Tons of students and profs have no idea what a hash tag is. #fycchat -9:25 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog They struggle to position themselves relative to scholars or a hypothetical strawman; this limits argumentation. #FYCchat -9:25 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson I'm thinking of selling out to write within social media/digital texts as the "place" where we do the work. We'd b fearless. :) #fycchat -9:24 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon Why do you say that? I think you can say a lot in 140 characters. #fycchat -9:24 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @feministtexican Excellent! I've found that it forces them to really think about their response when you limit the length. #fycchat -9:24 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon Hahahaha. I think 140 limit is good for a discussion on purpose of FYC #FYCchat -9:24 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @trentmkays I third that. But I'm also shocked by how many students are sm illiterate.I've been brainwashed to think all Ss use it. #fycchat -9:24 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog @readywriting @Bill_TorgersonTwitter needs to add some 0's to the char limit if we're going to get anywhere. #FYCchat -9:23 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog Aside from fear of error, do you see other anxieties/fears when it comes to writing or to letting their creativity speak? #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 feministtexican @trentmkays oh, i like this idea! i've been trying to think of ways to incorporate twitter. #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I think it's imperative to bring social media into the class b/c that's where students do most of their writing. #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @trentmkays: I have them use Twitter/Tumblr and limit the length of their responses. I like to have them put thoughts into precis, then expand. #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @MattBridgewater @Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon@comPOSITIONblog Especially since I don't know the answer.#fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @readywriting @Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon I am so down! haha #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes I use prepositions to help with this. You work 'through' your fear, not get 'over' it. #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays RT @MattBridgewater: RT @Bill_Torgerson: @bzeducon@comPOSITIONblog Future chat question: Whats the purpose of FYC? #fycchat -9:22 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblogThat's a HUGE question but a good one! #fycchat -9:21 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog Was told I had "propensity towards prolixity & purple prose." Now impose strict econ of words on student writing. #FYCchat -9:21 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblogYeah, that'll be a big can of worms. :-) #FYCchat -9:21 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater RT @Bill_Torgerson: @bzeducon@comPOSITIONblog Future chat question: What's the purpose of FYC? #fycchat -9:21 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @MattBridgewater Not during, but for homework I have. Discussion questions for class. Worked well =) #fycchat -9:21 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog Future chat question: What's the purpose of FYC? #fycchat -9:20 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @MattBridgewater Yes! It's a fantastic way to open dialogue and brings issues relevant to them into the class discussion. #fycchat -9:20 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @Bill_Torgerson It made me want to give up writing completely, but luckily, my MA was almost complete at that point. haha #fycchat -9:20 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @trentmkays #FYCchat...have you ever had them tweet questions 2 u during class? I hear that opens up discussion quite a bit! -9:20 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog FYC can't teach disciplinary research. Is it worth teaching general research? Is that useful prep for majors? #FYCchat -9:19 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @comPOSITIONblog Made you want to write more, eh? I say if I make the student want to throw their paper in the trash I failed them #fycchat -9:19 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes It presses us to be authentic with our own fears about writing. #fycchat -9:19 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I have them use Twitter/Tumblr and limit the length of their responses. I like to have them put thoughts into precis, then expand. #fycchat -9:19 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog that definitely caused me to have an anxiety about my writing that was hard to knock. I'd never want my Ss to feel that. #fycchat -9:19 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @Bill_Torgerson #fycchat agreed, but the nature of classroom comp doesn't always allow that...personal tutoring/conference would of course -9:18 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @Dana_Forbes Can you post your reframed question? :) #fycchat -9:18 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I had a teacher in grad school who redpenned every essay I gave her & told me I didn't "understand the subtleties of the Eng lang"+ #fycchat -9:18 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting But, I know that they wouldn't have even tried had I not created a space where they could attempt something really challenging. #FYCchat -9:18 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I also have them work through social media as a way to loosen them up. I have them post their thoughts in 140 chars or less. #fycchat -9:17 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting I told them they should feel proud that they made it through the essays because they were challenging! Totally changed their persp #FYCchat -9:17 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @readywriting @bzeducon Agree bout students not all being literate in digital discourses #fycchat -9:17 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon I guess that depends on how you define Composition. #fycchat -9:16 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting This week, I assigned my students 2 v.challenging essays+summarize. All did it, even though all were worried they did it "wrong"+ #FYCchat -9:16 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes It begins with the instructor, not the student. I'm inverting the question to frame the question differently. #fycchat -9:16 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays @readywriting Cool. I usually post my work in our LMS and let them edit it and bring the mark up to class. They love it.#fycchat -9:15 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @Dana_Forbes I encourage them, support them, and show my willingness to help. #FYCchat -9:14 PM Apr 20th, 2011
hale27storm RT @readywriting: The first pieces of advice I received when I started teaching was to create as many spaces for no-pressure writing as possible. #FYCchat -9:14 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @comPOSITIONblog Agree. I tell theatre students that dramaturgy for production is research, but should FYC have a narrower mission? #FYCchat -9:14 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @Dana_Forbes You always put things way more eloquently than I do. :-) #FYCchat -9:14 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @trentmkays I did that last semester, too. And then I let them "have at" my essay. #FYCchat -9:14 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Dana_Forbes How can we be agents who calm existential angst about writing? #fycchat -9:13 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon @readywriting @MattBridgewaterGood question. Email? Text? Facebook? Twitter? Journals? I think there's lots of options. #fycchat -9:13 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon Barely able to use word processing in a lot of cases. They text. #FYCchat -9:13 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I think students don't see the teacher as a writer. It's important to show students that we are writers too w/ the same issues. #fycchat -9:13 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @bzeducon @readywriting #fycchat Well-researched is pretty universal, I'd agree. -9:12 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @MattBridgewater I think students are everywhere when it comes to their writing. They all have to be "met" in different places. #fycchat -9:12 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @trentmkays: I do a lot to try to banish fear from my courses. I do the assignments w/ my students and show them my errors. #FYCchat -9:12 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting The first pieces of advice I received when I started teaching was to create as many spaces for no-pressure writing as possible. #FYCchat -9:12 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @trentmkays Excellent! Write with them and let them see your drafts. #fycchat -9:12 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @MattBridgewater So if not blog or Wiki, then what do students know upon arrival at college? Where can we meet them? #FYCchat -9:11 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I can have a well-researched personal narrative or creative fiction. #fycchat -9:11 PM Apr 20th, 2011 trentmkays I do a lot to try to banish fear from my courses. I do the assignments w/ my students and show them my errors.#fycchat -9:11 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog @bzeducon @readywriting @MattBridgewater"Good" research is possible without academic sources or academic subjects. #fycchat -9:11 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @comPOSITIONblog @readywriting Yes! Fear of error. When they learn they won't be tromped for error, they can write better. #fycchat -9:11 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson @bzeducon @MattBridgewater @readywriting Blog reduces fear. Weird because there is more audience. Nongraded writing reduces fear #fycchat -9:10 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @readywriting #FYCchat 4me, academic discourse is both form (citation, thesis driven, arguing, paragraphs) and content (scholarly topics) -9:10 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @MattBridgewater W/in FYC, I think "well-researched" can mean that students have combed through assigned sources. #FYCchat -9:10 PM Apr 20th, 2011 comPOSITIONblog I'm agreeing with @readywriting. I think students have a fear of error, so they create this disconnected concept of "academic." #fycchat -9:09 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @bzeducon @MattBridgewater That assumes students are familiar with those styles. I can tell you, mine are not.#FYCchat -9:09 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson The student feared I really didn't allow them to write about whatever they want. #fycchat -9:09 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @MattBridgewater I think (with the students I teach) it's about teaching them to adapt their writing. #FYCchat -9:09 PM Apr 20th, 2011 Bill_Torgerson Lots of students have fear? I did read today that a student feared I really didn't want their thoughts. #fycchat -9:09 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @MattBridgewater @readywriting Does that mean blog-style or Wiki-style paper instead of traditional "response paper" to a reading? #FYCchat -9:08 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @bzeducon @readywriting #FYCchat I'd say that is one of the fears...ive heard of pedagogies that address this, like monstrous pedagogy -9:08 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting @MattBridgewater DEfine "academic style" - well researched, well argued, well written? To me, academic writing is a distraction. #FYCchat -9:08 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting Which is interesting b/c some people (like Fister in IHE) claim that students don't care about writing for class. #FYCchat -9:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @readywriting #FYCchat perhaps we need 2 use discourses n our classroom that students r familiar with 2 get them 2 write n academic styles -9:07 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @MattBridgewater @readywriting Is the fear that "academic style" is inaccessible? Graff covers this well in Clueless in Academe #FYCchat -9:06 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @MattBridgewater: @readywriting I think we need to use discourses that students feel comfortable writing in to get them writing in "academic styles" #FYCchat -9:06 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon Should we start by listing some? I already tossed in 2 fears: 1) not being original 2) not citing fully Each can be paralyzing. #FYCchat -9:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 MattBridgewater @readywriting I think we need to use discourses that students feel comfortable writing in to get them writing in "academic styles" #FYCchat -9:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting For me, it's about confidence. I work very hard to build up their confidence. #FYCchat -9:05 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Good evening everyone! Welcome to the chat! Tonight, we're talking about helping our students overcome their fears of writing. #FYCchat -9:02 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @kafrederick: I am brand new to Twitter. I'm teaching FYC with a special topic in education. Advice on teaching special topics? #FYCchat -8:55 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon @readywriting @drdavistce Nice lead-in to #FYCchat b/c student quoting self may reflect 2 key fears: not being original & not citing fully. -8:53 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Reminder, #FYCchat in 20 minutes! Topic: getting students over their fear/apprehension/resentment/hatred of writing. #highered -8:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011
kafrederick I am brand new to Twitter. I am teaching a FYC with a special topic in education. Advice on teaching special topics?#fycchat -2:43 PM Apr 20th, 2011 bzeducon NIU paper looks at "study drugs" & cheating.http://t.co/8vI4eVm Will @turnitin now package BloodCheck w/ OriginalityCheck? #FYCchat #edchat -2:38 PM Apr 20th, 2011
bwuetherick RT @readywriting: Helping First Year Students Help Themselves http://chronicle.com/article/Helping-First-Year-Students/127168/ #highered #FYCchat -2:20 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Helping First Year Students Help Themselveshttp://chronicle.com/article/Helping-First-Year-Students/127168/#highered #FYCchat -1:18 PM Apr 20th, 2011
jlnastal RT @readywriting: Join us tonight at 9 PM Eastern for#FYCchat - helping students move past fear. #Highered #writing#edchat #engchat -12:41 PM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting Join us tonight at 9 PM Eastern for #FYCchat - helping students move past fear. #Highered #writing #edchat #engchat -10:24 AM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting RT @comPOSITIONblog: #FYCchat topic of the week: How do we help students move past their fear of writing and/or encourage them to use creativity? (@dana_forbes) -10:23 AM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting From @DrDavisTCE, a summary of last week's#FYCchat on teaching sources and research to Freshmenhttp://bit.ly/h919I2 #highered #engchat -10:23 AM Apr 20th, 2011 readywriting When teaching sounds more like preachinghttp://t.co/4jbJ6Os #edchat #highered #teaching #FYCchat -8:35 AM Apr 20th, 2011
MsGrayMizzou RT @readywriting: A Colorful Approach to Revisionhttp://j.mp/gYJgMA Awesome advice for Peer Review #writing#engchat #FYCchat -8:20 AM Apr 20th, 2011
cybraryman1 WedChats Part II: #web20chat #DistEd #smchat#yalitchat #FYCchat: http://bit.ly/9bCqR -8:15 AM Apr 20th, 2011
i_am_media RT @readywriting: A Colorful Approach to Revisionhttp://j.mp/gYJgMA Awesome advice for Peer Review #writing#engchat #FYCchat -10:16 PM Apr 19th, 2011 readywriting A Colorful Approach to Revision http://j.mp/gYJgMAAwesome advice for Peer Review #writing #engchat #FYCchat -10:05 PM Apr 19th, 2011
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